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		<title>By: Alexander Naumenko</title>
		<link>http://www.alexfilatov.com/2009/06/12/grails-on-the-floor/comment-page-1/#comment-19578</link>
		<dc:creator>Alexander Naumenko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 13:50:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, Dmitriy

I didn&#039;t wrote a line of code with Symphony, but wrote a lot on java and grails (groovy). Sure it&#039;s a matter of taste. But in Grails you&#039;ll find same configuration over convention principles which so popular in modern web frameworks on Python or RoR for example. 

And you don&#039;t need to mess your groovy code with java if you don&#039;t want to. But the great advantage of groovy, that you COULD do so :) Groovy is the java bytecode in the end, so you could reuse lots of libraries or your legacy java code. You could even migrate step-by-step your existing java project to groovy (as I do ;) God bless Intellij IDEA with it&#039;s JetGroovy plugin :)

Have a nice journey into Grails :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, Dmitriy</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t wrote a line of code with Symphony, but wrote a lot on java and grails (groovy). Sure it&#8217;s a matter of taste. But in Grails you&#8217;ll find same configuration over convention principles which so popular in modern web frameworks on Python or RoR for example. </p>
<p>And you don&#8217;t need to mess your groovy code with java if you don&#8217;t want to. But the great advantage of groovy, that you COULD do so <img src='http://www.alexfilatov.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  Groovy is the java bytecode in the end, so you could reuse lots of libraries or your legacy java code. You could even migrate step-by-step your existing java project to groovy (as I do <img src='http://www.alexfilatov.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  God bless Intellij IDEA with it&#8217;s JetGroovy plugin <img src='http://www.alexfilatov.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Have a nice journey into Grails <img src='http://www.alexfilatov.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Dmitriy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dmitriy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 13:41:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;#commentbody-19576&quot;&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-19576&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Alexander Naumenko&lt;/a&gt; :&lt;/strong&gt;
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&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-19575&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Dmitriy&lt;/a&gt; :&lt;/strong&gt;
          There is a gret variety of plugins for grails also, just as it is in Symfony. By the way, have you done any performance testing Grails vs Symfony, or Grails vs Java(Spring, Struts). As far as I’m concerned, Grails has some performance problems. If you’ll some get it tested, please let me know. Thanks.
         &lt;/blockquote&gt;
As far as I know, performance lineup should look like this (from lower to higher):
Symphony (PHP) -&gt; Grails (since it compiled in Java byte code, but extremely use reflection due to it’s dynamic nature) -&gt; Java
         &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Thanks for your reply, Aleksandr.

And what about develompent &quot;speed&quot;? Is developing projects on Grails more lightweight and faster than on Symfony? Or is it just a matter of taste? Concearning development of small projects too. 

And how about messing with Groovy and Java? Is 	symbiosis of that two languages stable and not overloading?  I&#039;ve heard of that possibility, but hadn&#039;t any chance to check it out.

Thanks.</description>
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<strong><a href="#comment-19576" rel="nofollow">Alexander Naumenko</a> :</strong></p>
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<strong><a href="#comment-19575" rel="nofollow">Dmitriy</a> :</strong><br />
          There is a gret variety of plugins for grails also, just as it is in Symfony. By the way, have you done any performance testing Grails vs Symfony, or Grails vs Java(Spring, Struts). As far as I’m concerned, Grails has some performance problems. If you’ll some get it tested, please let me know. Thanks.
         </p></blockquote>
<p>As far as I know, performance lineup should look like this (from lower to higher):<br />
Symphony (PHP) -&gt; Grails (since it compiled in Java byte code, but extremely use reflection due to it’s dynamic nature) -&gt; Java
         </p></blockquote>
<p>Thanks for your reply, Aleksandr.</p>
<p>And what about develompent &#8220;speed&#8221;? Is developing projects on Grails more lightweight and faster than on Symfony? Or is it just a matter of taste? Concearning development of small projects too. </p>
<p>And how about messing with Groovy and Java? Is 	symbiosis of that two languages stable and not overloading?  I&#8217;ve heard of that possibility, but hadn&#8217;t any chance to check it out.</p>
<p>Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Alexander Naumenko</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alexander Naumenko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 13:32:04 +0000</pubDate>
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&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-19575&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Dmitriy&lt;/a&gt; :&lt;/strong&gt;
          There is a gret variety of plugins for grails also, just as it is in Symfony. By the way, have you done any performance testing Grails vs Symfony, or Grails vs Java(Spring, Struts). As far as I’m concerned, Grails has some performance problems. If you’ll some get it tested, please let me know. Thanks.
         &lt;/blockquote&gt;
As far as I know, performance lineup should look like this (from lower to higher):
Symphony (PHP) -&gt; Grails (since it compiled in Java byte code, but extremely use reflection due to it&#039;s dynamic nature) -&gt; Java</description>
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<strong><a href="#comment-19575" rel="nofollow">Dmitriy</a> :</strong><br />
          There is a gret variety of plugins for grails also, just as it is in Symfony. By the way, have you done any performance testing Grails vs Symfony, or Grails vs Java(Spring, Struts). As far as I’m concerned, Grails has some performance problems. If you’ll some get it tested, please let me know. Thanks.
         </p></blockquote>
<p>As far as I know, performance lineup should look like this (from lower to higher):<br />
Symphony (PHP) -&gt; Grails (since it compiled in Java byte code, but extremely use reflection due to it&#8217;s dynamic nature) -&gt; Java</p>
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		<title>By: Dmitriy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dmitriy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 13:27:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is a gret variety of plugins for grails also, just as it is in Symfony. By the way, have you done any performance testing Grails vs Symfony, or Grails vs Java(Spring, Struts). As far as I&#039;m concerned, Grails has some performance problems. If you&#039;ll some get it tested, please let me know. Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a gret variety of plugins for grails also, just as it is in Symfony. By the way, have you done any performance testing Grails vs Symfony, or Grails vs Java(Spring, Struts). As far as I&#8217;m concerned, Grails has some performance problems. If you&#8217;ll some get it tested, please let me know. Thanks.</p>
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